KEEP THE TRADITION OF SALMON NETTING ON THE TAMAR TAVY
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#76 Re:2014-04-03 06:33#73: Ianto - Yep, because there are plenty of seatrout in the river and he returns all the fish he catches. As do most fly fisherman. Whats your point? What does Matt Hayes have to do with netting of precious salmon stocks on the Tamar?
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poirot |
#77 Re:2014-04-03 06:36#75: Orri - Your silence speaks volumes, thank you!! I dont think I need to say anymore
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Welsh Jane Guest |
#782014-04-03 06:36If theres no fish we might have paddlers, canoeists and ramblers who just want to enjoy our beautiful scenery.Fishing is not our only attraction and thank god if everyones like you. |
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#802014-04-03 06:44I defended four netsmen who were called poachers just because they couldn't hold the pole in one spot in a raging gale and spring tide .I defy anyone to do that but of course these petty by law infringements are usually thrown out by the magistrate anyway. Silent is one thing I've never been nor a poacher so as I've said you have the evidence I don't so I can't comment. |
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#812014-04-03 06:52#78: Welsh Jane - So basically, you would not be concerned if the fish stocks were wiped out as tourists could canoe and ramble as appose to fish. Sorry but what point are you making here Jane?
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#842014-04-03 06:57Lets hope the Minister listens and not influenced by rank and privilege.Good luck. |
Orri |
#852014-04-03 07:14I would like to add my sincere hopes for a successful conclusion to you plight and just remember being poor and uneducated is not a barrier to achieving your goals, you are rich in other ways. Go for it. |
friend of the nets |
#86 Re:2014-04-03 07:21#85: Orri - Poor and uneducated, can you be anymore insulting
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seabass |
#87 Bass2014-04-03 07:25I am a Bass fisherman, rod type, and was wondering this: Bass in estuaries are protected from fishing by boat as the estuary is a nursery zone. Please can someone clarify what happens to Bass caught by the gill nets when salmon netting? Surely that is illegal practise but cant be avoided. Also mullet and seatrout have not be mentioned here? |
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#882014-04-03 08:54Full of delicious expensively produced young salmon I suppose which is what you can expect when you interfere with nature. an imbalance. Good for you as a bass fisherman but I think the Riparian owners in the upper Tamar see it differently. You may keep Welsh Jane happy by putting Tamar Salmon (bass) back on the menu. |
Orri |
#892014-04-03 09:07'Friend of the nets' the netsmen themselves are proud to be net fishermen they admit that their way of life did not put emphasis on gaining an education one is even dyslexic easy pray for the the graduates,statisticians,and academics that abound in the Angling Lobby and EA so that is a question for another day have they been 'bullied' during the process. |
Orri |
#912014-04-03 09:42If Gunnislake is one of five counters used as indicators to good management are the other four dishing up duff info in high flow events? Have they been distorting projections,RSE's and CL's. I can feel a whole lot of scientific studies being commissioned it certainly gives UK netsmen encouragement because they have maintained throughout the figures are being doctored. |
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#922014-04-03 19:41Isn't just typical the Minister can't even give the netsmen 25 minutes he was most probably enjoying |
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#93 netsmen2014-04-03 20:50To be honest from what I hear certain netsmen on the Tamar have prosecuted for poaching !! How on earth can anyone trust these guys. They only want to make a fuss to get as much money as they can to get paid off, trust me.They will net that river anyway, on a night when you lot are tucked up in bed and the moon lights good enough they will be at it. Certain people on here that are throwing big words around and making everyone aware that they have a higher education need to go back to the school of life instead. Just remember netsmen when you point the finger at people the unfortunate thing is you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself. |
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#96 Re: netsmen2014-04-04 06:52#93: - netsmen I agree sadly, poaching seems to be a way of life for some who have no regard for nature, fish stocks or the authorities trying to protect and conserve. They seem think its thier "right" to decimate the salmon, seatrout and bass stocks for cash in hand with no conscience or remorse. Its a disgusting situation. Quota's, you must be kidding right, who really believes they will be adhered, if granted. Get real, wise up, its not just the Tamar, poaching with nets goes on anywhere there is a profit for these individuals. License or no license, legally or illegally, it will still happen
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Orri |
#972014-04-04 11:28The biggest predators of Tamar salmon either through the 20% mortality rate due to Catch and release ( according to John Webb of the Atlantic Trust) or the a 34% catch keep rate are the rods. No matter how EA and their masters the Riparians spin it that is a fact so why aren't there measures taken to stop the exploitation of gravid multi wintered fish in September and October. This is the logical conclusion but the argument made is that the commercial netsmen (a label put on the traditional netsmen by the pro-angling weighted Fishery Groups) business is not as importantin socio economic terms to the business of the well off,well connected gentry. What a shabby disgraceful way to treat stakeholders. |
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#98 Re:2014-04-04 12:23#97: Orri - Nothing will stop poachers netting Salmon, country wide epidemic, families and their associates, tradition eh!! License or not, its all BS!! Poachers with gill nets being caught all over great britain. Salmon usually end up abroad via dodgy fishmongers. Court appearance, £500-2000 fine if successfully prosecuted. Usually maintain that they found the net with salmon in it and get off. Nets confiscated by authorities involved. Then what happens, the poacher who make a killing financially (as well as wild endangered creatures) sources another net and carries on until they get caught again. This whole petition is a joke, poaching / netting is a commercial business. Until the salmon are wiped out this will happen again and again and again. HARSH BUT TRUE
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#992014-04-04 18:12Orri your latest tack claiming martyrdom on account of stupidity and Learning disabilities is even more ridiculously disingenuous than all the previous dross spewed. I don’t see how being a dyslexic disqualifies anyone from grasping a basic and straightforward argument. It doesn’t stop someone from being one of the ‘graduates, statisticians or academics’, that you so distain and the rest of society regard as meritorious for attaining their level of expertise. Don’t use it to rationalise your poor argument, you diminish everyone who works hard to overcome it. Dyslexia is not an excuse for being wrong, or a cunt for that matter. |
Orri |
#1002014-04-04 20:06Wonderful language i would rather be dyslexic and be proud of what I am rather than agree with that disgraceful abuse. Perhaps you should go home sober up and reflect on what you've put on the internet. You exhibit what netsmen have to put up with, Nothing more to say. |
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