Hands Off Hartlebury Common

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A warm welcome at the holly bush

2011-08-21 17:59:39
Greetings everyone.

On the 27th of this month, Saturday, from about 3pm onwards, a meeting as before at the Hollybush Stourport, , for the Worcestershire commons Association.

Our legal advisor, friend and supporter Tony Barnett will be in attendance to answer any questions you might have regarding

a/ the ownership of the common

b/ the legality of the work that is being carried out.

Also, you can hand in any completed or partial petition forms.

We can discuss who would like to leaflet people in Stourport and collect further signatures.

We can discuss where we are legally at the moment.

We can share our experiences since the last meeting

We can discuss ideas

We can agree a policy of letter writing and letter petitioning.

I can tell you how much money we have been given and what we have done with it.

I will be bringing photos of the common to explain the current threat from erosion and tree felling and some interesting facts about unsustainable tree clearance and fern growth, (very relevant) and copies of the court transcript to hand out.

At the last meeting, it was a tight group of people who new each other. This time, i think we should go attend at the back room and have a larger gathering if possible.

So, would everyone round up anyone that they know personally who would like to come along who has an interest to learn more or who is in disagreement with the proposals for change.

If anyone wishes to call me on 01299 251 497, to let me know of numbers.

I do not believe that any one strategy will win ultimately but when woven together and coupled to expert support and guidance, we can win.

We are heading for a court appearance and your support and attendance WILL make a difference. It may be that the judge will take calm questions from you.

The important thing is that we show the level of public concern

Do not let this opportunity slip through lack of resolve. You can have a say on the welfare of the common. You can make a difference.

I will be printing an addenda for the meeting and this time minutes will be kept during this period. This is simply to formalize the meeting and to make sure that

certain questions, queries, proposals can be dealt with in a timely manner. This should not take to long and once done, we can carry on in a more relaxed way.

Best wishes

Steve Mccarron


Tel 01299 251 497


steve@stevemccarron.co.uk

steve mccarron

A warm welcome at the holly bush

2011-08-21 17:58:10
Greetings everyone.

On the 27th of this month, Saturday, from about 3pm onwards, a meeting as before at the Hollybush Stourport, , for the Worcestershire commons Association.

Our legal advisor, friend and supporter Tony Barnett will be in attendance to answer any questions you might have regarding

a/ the ownership of the common

b/ the legality of the work that is being carried out.

Also, you can hand in any completed or partial petition forms.

We can discuss who would like to leaflet people in Stourport and collect further signatures.

We can discuss where we are legally at the moment.

We can share our experiences since the last meeting

We can discuss ideas

We can agree a policy of letter writing and letter petitioning.

I can tell you how much money we have been given and what we have done with it.

I will be bringing photos of the common to explain the current threat from erosion and tree felling and some interesting facts about unsustainable tree clearance and fern growth, (very relevant) and copies of the court transcript to hand out.

At the last meeting, it was a tight group of people who new each other. This time, i think we should go attend at the back room and have a larger gathering if possible.

So, would everyone round up anyone that they know personally who would like to come along who has an interest to learn more or who is in disagreement with the proposals for change.

If anyone wishes to call me on 01299 251 497, to let me know of numbers.

I do not believe that any one strategy will win ultimately but when woven together and coupled to expert support and guidance, we can win.

We are heading for a court appearance and your support and attendance WILL make a difference. It may be that the judge will take calm questions from you.

The important thing is that we show the level of public concern

Do not let this opportunity slip through lack of resolve. You can have a say on the welfare of the common. You can make a difference.

I will be printing an addenda for the meeting and this time minutes will be kept during this period. This is simply to formalize the meeting and to make sure that

certain questions, queries, proposals can be dealt with in a timely manner. This should not take to long and once done, we can carry on in a more relaxed way.

Best wishes

Steve Mccarron

steve mccarron

new petition site

2011-08-09 15:24:51

Please find below a link to a new site for people who wish to leave signatures and read some more about Hartlebury Common.

Because of malicious posts, there are too many gaps in the comments page on this site and hopefully this will be a fresh start.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hands-off-hartlebury-common/

I will be closing this site and recording the signatures before doing so

 

 


steve mccarron

In a Nutshell

2011-08-03 20:57:07

Biodiversity,in the NE sense,is more to do with the niches man has created to allow natural access than the real bio support structures.The UK species 'carrying capacity',had man not been present,would be a fraction of what it is now but NE have confused what is here with what should be here and created a huge 'guilt'which feeds their existence.NE DO NOT welcome new additions to our 'human eco system species bank'but publicise/mourn the loss of species that have taken advantage of our presence to gain a foothold in the past!A dichotomy they need to account for and a dichotomy that keeps them funded.


steve mccarron

Meeting, please do not ignore

2011-07-21 20:48:48
To all

We have formed the "Worcester Commons Association" for the purpose of being an identifiable group.

The stated aim is for the common to be returned to its original status and condition before work started. As a natural habitat for natural flora and fauna in their natural places free from interference.

It is Worcestershire "Commons" Association because when we have finished with our work here, we intend to look at other sites that have been misappropriated.

By signing the petition where this is stated, the signees are members of the association. This is not a political movement, the aims are simple.

The support we need is letter writing, petition gathering, letters to papers etc. Plus emails to relevant groups, anything you can think off this can be done by all association members.

Being the lightning rods for this movement has never been easy but necessary. By keeping things tight, we keep control of a situation that others might want to disrupt.

In terms of process, we will always be principles, Tony, Vanessa, and me, not because we are founders but because we have been mitigants and are now appellants.

We deliberately caused ourselves to be the focus of this campaign as part of our wider scheme.

Through our website and campaign we are now a recognized authority, we should not have to form other agencies.

When we started this campaign, I was labeled as a one man band by WCC to the BBC.

They don't say that  any more. In correspondence, you should refer to yourselves as "From The Worcestershire Commons Association"

Therefore I would look forward to a meeting as "Worcestershire Commons Association", after all we have over a thousand members now.

I'm sorry but I have been very busy. I will now work to arrange a meeting with you where we can air our points of view to each other.

If you have any thoughts of a venue, etc lets discuss. I would anticipate at least 14 days notice to arrange.


Please will you reply so i can work out numbers


Steve McCarron

steve mccarron

More glowing reports about Un Natural England

2011-07-15 20:27:40

Steve,
look at the detail of the Aarhus Convention and the hearing you got.I have found NO evidence of the UK(NE/DEFRA)complying with the pillars regarding participation/consultation.The 1992 Rio conference was a World overview but each party has looked to parochial compliance with no view of local impact on World biodiversity.At a cost,in the UK, of up to £3m per 1000hc over 10 yrs our efforts are contributing to World degradation(money being the denominator of material damage).I might add that Dr Phillips(head of NE) salary does little to exemplify personal environmental responsibility.NE have become the arbiters of life and death and what the public will and will not have access to with no accountabilities(in fact every failure,like ESA heathland,justifies further investment and intervention instead of a review of NE's competence).NE frequently support trade offs whereby 'glamour rarities'are encouraged at a cost to the wider environment but 'ignore'any science which reduces rural investment(ELS/HLS)but would achieve the same result.Challenges achieve accountability.Keep challenging with the support of Save Penwith Moors.


steve mccarron

changes

2011-07-14 00:47:50

I have yet to here a valid, scientific argument either for the proposals at Hartlebury common or against my claims. I suppose this is what makes unNatural England behave in the way that they do. As early as 2008, they had started to enrage the public with nonsensical plans. The best of course was to allow the sea to reclaim parts of the Norfolk Broads, flooding three villages and displacing 4000 residents.
http://www.nvcc.org.uk/2008/05/edp-natural-england-faces-anger-over-message/

Since then, their attitude has been very much us and them. They do not take kindly to critisism. That is why the meetings for hartlebury common were deliberatley subverted.

The biggest Question that I want answering is this;

Can anyone tell me where else in the world vast amounts of money are spent to artificially sustain an unatural man made enviroment in favour of a few niche species that congregate there because it is an aberation? Can somebody tell what wildlife will benefit that  do not habitat there at the moment or live in the surrounding countryside.

All this at tax payers expense


steve mccarron

More from Ian Liddell Grainger MP

2011-07-13 01:26:41

Biodiversity is a slippery word. In the dictionary it translates as "life on earth". None of us objects to that, but some scientists have reinterpreted the word. It has become a religion, a cause and an excuse for changing anything and everything in the name of preserving life. Dr Phillips has allowed it to mean whatever she wants it to mean. That is what can happen when quangos are let out. They lose a sense of proportion. In addition-if I dare say this in this world of austerity-they are paid over the odds. Dr Phillips receives £144,000 a year, and six of her senior management team receive more than £80,000 a year. They have offices all over the country and around 2,000 staff to boss about. No wonder they have fooled themselves into thinking that they rule the world. Natural England has become far too big for Dr Phillips's elegant, stiletto-heeled boots.


steve mccarron

the work at the common is wrong

2011-07-11 00:37:02

Campaign grows against Natural England

It's not just riders who are against it

Ian Liddell-Granger, Conservative MP for BridgwaterA Westcountry MP has just launched a withering attack on the conservation quango Natural England - labelling it an invention "Dr Frankenstein would be proud of".

Ian Liddell-Granger, Conservative MP for Bridgwater, has called for the body to be radically scaled back, arguing that it has been "let loose" on "many sensitive environmental issues".

He said: "Natural England cares more about weeds than the welfare of country folk. It believes that butterflies and bats come before people".

Mr Liddell-Granger, who was speaking in a Parliamentary debate he initiated, was critical of Natural England's handling of EU grants to farmers for maintaining landscapes.

He said farmers in Withypool on Exmoor were having to do "precisely what Natural England wants", despite maintaining common land for centuries.

He said: "Natural England wants more cattle to graze on the common, and has put on the frighteners. "It wants 48 cows to graze a bit of land that would barely support half that number. For generations, Withypool Common has been known as a sheep common and, in 1950, there were more than 2,000 sheep on the hill.

"There is nothing natural about Natural England. From the word go it was a cumbersome creature, cobbled together in haste.

"Dr Frankenstein would have been proud of it."

Hear. Hear. Steve


steve mccarron

common sense

2011-07-10 00:59:58

#728: -

I believe that that the creation of unsustainable enviroments is just flying in the face of enlightenment in our fragile world. A holistic approach based on permaculture and sustainability would be kinder to the enviroment in every way. Hartlebury common has had more resources expended on it in the past few years than it has had in the past two hundred, and for what.

The carbon issue is easy here, leave it alone, what real benefit will come from this meddeling. The cost of everything in material terms to carry out these schemes will always  outweigh the supposed gains.

Two complete trees have been taken down.

Sorry, what you say is wrong, common land was never used for intensive farming, it usually was the bit niether the lord or the lady of the manor wanted because it was useless for virtually anything profitable. Cutting down of trees for agricultural exspansion is a different generic. Which is why when you drive along, there are steep banks  along the road which are often very wooded. The deforestation high water mark if you like, with clear fields behind. The two are very different practices.

The common has always been about subsistance agriculture. If you look at the records for the common this is validated by the lists of commoners and their entitlements.

The common has not been the subject of deliberate deforestation on this scale at any time, if it had there would be little of it left now, change is not necessary, the species issue is not right. The rarity of the types is overblown. Can you tell me where else in the world vast amounts of money are spent to artificially sustain an unatural man made enviroment in favour of a few niche species that congregate there because it is an aberation? Can somebody tell what wildlife will benefit that  do not habitat there at the moment or live in the surrounding countryside.

Can you tell me why grazing is being introduced when this is in direct contradiction to WCC's policy?

Can you tell me how 33 cattle will have any impact on rampant fern and bramble since deforestation?

Can you tell me how the cattle can be disuaded from grazing on habitat previously "protected" by SSSI

 

 

 

Steve McCarron


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